Christopher Rufo was invited onto MSNBC’s The Reid Out after having requested to debate the pundit on Twitter. The two have engaged in a backwards and forwards each on social media and on air, as Reid has introduced up Rufo’s title as somebody who’s against critical race theory with out realizing the information. Rufo received the prospect to problem that assertion on air Wednesday evening.
Or a minimum of that was the concept. Reid requested questions, then when Rufo tried to reply, interrupted him, corrected him, and accused him of falsehoods. She referred to his speaking factors, saying that folks may “read them online,” and that she wasn’t concerned with listening to his “Christopher Rufo theory.”
Reid opened the section by speaking about “raucous school board meetings” which she stated are “part of a national campaign by political operatives to eradicate curriculums on racial and other forms of equity, which, mind you, is not the same thing as critical race theory.”
Reid then introduced on Rufo, asking him about his request for a debate, which she had beforehand known as “white man’s calls for.” In introducing him to her present, she stated he was “one of those operatives.”
The two started with a cordial dialogue, exhibiting that the best distinction between on-line and in particular person discourse is primary manners. “You and I started out with a little bit of a Twitter beef,” Reid stated.
“I talked about you, I quoted you, in an article that one of our great journalists here at NBC had quoted you in a piece, and I quoted that on tv,” Reid stated. She was referring to an NBC article that asserted that “political operatives” have been encouraging mother and father to revolt in opposition to their native faculty boards.
In that article, authors Brandy Zadrozny, Tyler Kingkade, and Ben Collins cite 165 mother and father teams which have grown over the previous yr to take on every little thing from distant faculty, to masking restrictions, to critical race and gender theory, and so they appear to assume parental involvement and varied ranges of assist is a nasty factor. Rufo took difficulty with the way in which he and his concepts had been handled within the article.
“And then you tweeted that you wanted to come on the show and said that I didn’t have the courage to put you on. Now I will just note that Twitter is a hyperbole zone, so y’know, whatever, it’s all water under the bridge, but I just want to get to a couple of little factual things: Why would I need courage to bring you on?” Reid requested Rufo.
“Are you on like an expert in race, or racial history, are you a lawyer, or a legal scholar, is that part of your background?” She requested.
“I’m a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute,” Rufo stated, “where I’m running their initiative on critical race theory and the reason that I reached out to Twitter on you, and I appreciate you having me on, I enjoy this kind of cross-partisan dialogue, but the reason is not just that you were attacking me on air, which I think is fine, I think it’s politics, that’s fair game—”
Reid interrupted, saying “One second, I wasn’t attacking, I was reading your quote, but go on.”
“You were reading it with the framing, calling me a political operative, which I’m not, I’m actually a think tank scholar, but let’s put all that aside,” Rufo stated. “The problem that I have is that you’re really spread four, I think, key false pieces of information about critical race theory.”
“Okay,” Reid stated.
“You’ve claimed in recent weeks,” Rufo continued, “that critical race theory isn’t being taught in schools. You’ve claimed that most American public school students learn what you call ‘confederate race theory,’ and are taught that slavery was ‘not so bad.’ You’ve claimed that state legislation will prevent schools from teaching about the history of racism, and finally you’ve claimed that critical race theory isn’t rooted in the philosophical traditions of Marxism. And I think that all four of those claims are wrong, and I’d love to discuss them tonight,” Rufo stated.
After the preliminary pleasantries, dialog moved on with Reid taking the lead within the dialog, asking questions, and refusing to let Rufo reply. She repeatedly requested him about his concepts, and used his responses as fodder to interrupt and contradict him, however with out listening to what he was saying. The section, which was meant to be a debate, devolved into an unimaginable to grasp cacophony.